Comments on: Is the Church Israel? #02 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/ The Voice of Tsiyon In Exile to the Scattered Remnant of Israel. Wed, 16 May 2012 15:10:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Jaro http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6809 Jaro Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:17:36 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6809 This is the first time I have heard a clear explanation about the difference between the gentile church and Israel. I don't have any doctrinal or theological background but it is very clear the harm and deception the traditional and modern replacment theology have produced since the first church. Thank you Eliyahu! I want to admit and repent for my ignorance to YHWH's Will & Way & Thinking and humbly pray that He will guide me to help Him build His Nation in these Last days. Shalom in Yahshua This is the first time I have heard a clear explanation about the difference between the gentile church and Israel.
I don’t have any doctrinal or theological background but it is very clear the harm and deception the traditional and modern replacment theology have produced since the first church. Thank you Eliyahu!
I want to admit and repent for my ignorance to YHWH’s Will & Way & Thinking and humbly pray that He will guide me to help Him build His Nation in these Last days.

Shalom in Yahshua

]]> By: Jay http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6612 Jay Sun, 15 Jan 2012 06:26:15 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6612 Truly a foundational teaching. Just who is Israel? Just who is the Church? Both are one and the same - the Ekklesia, the Body of "called-out" ones. These have always been the Israel/the Church of God. God has not discarded His people and replaced them by another. This false teaching was one of the manifestations of the apostasy which was already starting at the time of the Apostles. Truly a foundational teaching. Just who is Israel? Just who is the Church? Both are one and the same - the Ekklesia, the Body of “called-out” ones. These have always been the Israel/the Church of God.

God has not discarded His people and replaced them by another. This false teaching was one of the manifestations of the apostasy which was already starting at the time of the Apostles.

]]> By: Lin http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6407 Lin Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:21:08 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6407 It was just last spring when YHVH gave me this revelation that the sentence against Israel was fulfilled and that I, little ol' me of gentile decent, was in fact Israel. I jumped for joy literally and so much made sense right then. Hallelujah and hallelujah again. If we want the Truth all we need to do is ask!! Our Father is faithful and just, also he wants us to know who we are, so if we ask, well, we know he'll answer. Just the last few days I was curious why in some accounts YHVH uses House of Jacob instead of Israel, so I asked. Jacob's name was changed on his way back to meet Esau, his children were still young and most likely still under his counsel. The brothers were still a family unit under their father Jacob. This also implies before these children sinned. Wow, YHVH is good to us. Ask and He will answer. It was just last spring when YHVH gave me this revelation that the sentence against Israel was fulfilled and that I, little ol’ me of gentile decent, was in fact Israel. I jumped for joy literally and so much made sense right then. Hallelujah and hallelujah again. If we want the Truth all we need to do is ask!! Our Father is faithful and just, also he wants us to know who we are, so if we ask, well, we know he’ll answer.
Just the last few days I was curious why in some accounts YHVH uses House of Jacob instead of Israel, so I asked. Jacob’s name was changed on his way back to meet Esau, his children were still young and most likely still under his counsel. The brothers were still a family unit under their father Jacob. This also implies before these children sinned. Wow, YHVH is good to us. Ask and He will answer.

]]> By: Criggarious http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6327 Criggarious Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:07:45 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6327 Hello all, How very disgusting that these gentiles believe they are more entitled to the kingdom of Yah more than his own chosen people. This theology is just plain stupid. What changed with Yahweh between the old and new testament? How does Israel go from being the chosen people to suddenly being forsaken by Yahweh. Its like they just pulled this out of the air. Although I'm sure the devil had plenty of involvement. I found it very interesting how Eliyahu showed how the translators changed up the wording to fit there needs. I do believe the scriptures have some very strong words in regards to adding or taking away from his Holy Word. Those people are in very big trouble. On top of that what about these modern day preachers who have just as much ability to see this falicy yet do nothing about it. That's just as bad. Yahwehs not a happy camper with people saying that his Israel is replaced by the now dead church. I'm not saying that gentiles are bad but they need to realize that this all started with the Jews and its gonna end with them. There free to come with us grafted in. Just don't push us Jews to the curb. So with that have a nice day. :) Hello all,
How very disgusting that these gentiles believe they are more entitled to the kingdom of Yah more than his own chosen people. This theology is just plain stupid. What changed with Yahweh between the old and new testament? How does Israel go from being the chosen people to suddenly being forsaken by Yahweh. Its like they just pulled this out of the air. Although I’m sure the devil had plenty of involvement. I found it very interesting how Eliyahu showed how the translators changed up the wording to fit there needs. I do believe the scriptures have some very strong words in regards to adding or taking away from his Holy Word. Those people are in very big trouble. On top of that what about these modern day preachers who have just as much ability to see this falicy yet do nothing about it. That’s just as bad. Yahwehs not a happy camper with people saying that his Israel is replaced by the now dead church. I’m not saying that gentiles are bad but they need to realize that this all started with the Jews and its gonna end with them. There free to come with us grafted in. Just don’t push us Jews to the curb. So with that have a nice day. :)

]]> By: 2Miriam http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6058 2Miriam Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:05:07 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-6058 What a great and patient explanation of many things that have changed over the centuries. So many of us were lost in anti-Semetic and false teachings. I noticed that so many responses on here have stated that didn't seem to fit or were different. I believe since this happened to me also that this is a call to you to come out from among them. Truely God is great to love us so much and want us out from paganist rituals and falsehoods. After all He is Truth! Bless the Lord God forever and bless all those truthseekers. What a great and patient explanation of many things that have changed over the centuries. So many of us were lost in anti-Semetic and false teachings. I noticed that so many responses on here have stated that didn’t seem to fit or were different. I believe since this happened to me also that this is a call to you to come out from among them. Truely God is great to love us so much and want us out from paganist rituals and falsehoods. After all He is Truth! Bless the Lord God forever and bless all those truthseekers.

]]> By: raymond6 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5499 raymond6 Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:53:40 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5499 Adonai is immutable/unchanging. He is faithful to His covenants with His people Israel. It is mind boggling to think how far we (the church) have strayed from the truth. I know that God has given me this fresh mindset to dig deeper into the root of my faith. Thank you God and thank you Tsiyon. Nothing happens in the lives of believers by chance. Scripture has come to life for me like never before and I pray that He will continue to teach me His plan and ways. I am a member of a southern baptist church/ "assembly", and when I try to talk to other members about the true church being Israel or about the jewishness of our faith, they just look at me like I have 3 heads. Theres really no response from anyone other than confusion. Its as if they are fine where they are and why change anything or consider anything else. Get out of the Box and Get Yahweh out of the box! Maybe one day I can be in a congregation of folks who love the remnant. I dont know if I'm a part of the scattered remnant, but when Eliyahu said, that " they" dont know who they are and that they just feel different...........well thats how I've felt all my life. Not better, not worse, not above anyone............just different, like there was someone bigger over me who had me in their care, watching over me. Makes me wonder. Gods ways are above our ways, and we just need to trust Him and seek His truth. Praise God for His remnant and that He's always had one and I pray for them always. God Bless Tsiyon Adonai is immutable/unchanging. He is faithful to His covenants with His people Israel.

It is mind boggling to think how far we (the church) have strayed from the truth.

I know that God has given me this fresh mindset to dig deeper into the root of my faith. Thank you God and thank you Tsiyon. Nothing happens in the lives of believers by chance. Scripture has come to life for me like never before and I pray that He will continue to teach me His plan and ways.

I am a member of a southern baptist church/ “assembly”, and when I try to talk to other members about the true church being Israel or about the jewishness of our faith, they just look at me like I have 3 heads. Theres really no response from anyone other than confusion. Its as if they are fine where they are and why change anything or consider anything else.
Get out of the Box and Get Yahweh out of the box!
Maybe one day I can be in a congregation of folks who love the remnant.

I dont know if I’m a part of the scattered remnant, but when Eliyahu said, that ” they” dont know who they are and that they just feel different………..well thats how I’ve felt all my life. Not better, not worse, not above anyone…………just different, like there was someone bigger over me who had me in their care, watching over me. Makes me wonder.

Gods ways are above our ways, and we just need to trust Him and seek His truth.
Praise God for His remnant and that He’s always had one and I pray for them always.
God Bless Tsiyon

]]> By: Ginny http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5458 Ginny Sun, 18 Sep 2011 03:20:05 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5458 Praise YHWH and all glory to Him!! How can we ever understand the Power and Might that He has in keeping a remnant that don't necessarily know they are a remnant! That was me, I have felt 'weird' and 'strange' for a long time. Why do I love, love, love to study and talk about the Lord so much? Why doesn't ANYONE else I know around me feel like that?! (Except DawnP). I'm one of the remnant!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the Lord with all my heart, I have no interest in the church, I just want HIM, to follow HIM, to know HIM, to love HIM. Thank you so much Eliyahu and Dawn for encouraging me and telling the truth which the Lord has long been preparing in my heart. Even so, come Lord Yeshua! I pray He will continue to wake His people up, keep them safe and bring them together. Amen. Praise YHWH and all glory to Him!! How can we ever understand the Power and Might that He has in keeping a remnant that don’t necessarily know they are a remnant! That was me, I have felt ‘weird’ and ’strange’ for a long time. Why do I love, love, love to study and talk about the Lord so much? Why doesn’t ANYONE else I know around me feel like that?! (Except DawnP). I’m one of the remnant!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the Lord with all my heart, I have no interest in the church, I just want HIM, to follow HIM, to know HIM, to love HIM. Thank you so much Eliyahu and Dawn for encouraging me and telling the truth which the Lord has long been preparing in my heart. Even so, come Lord Yeshua! I pray He will continue to wake His people up, keep them safe and bring them together. Amen.

]]> By: DawnP http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5444 DawnP Tue, 13 Sep 2011 07:52:24 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5444 For several years I was deceived by the lie that the Church and Israel are 2 entirely separate groups. It grieves me that I should have been taken in by this, but more importantly, it grieves me when I think of the pain such a lie must cause YHWH. So many millions of people swept along by the lies of replacement and separation theology... Praise YHWH for keeping His covenants and for revealing the truth to us! Since I first listened to this lesson, I have been amazed at how much sense many things in the Bible now make to me. Paul's teachings are much easier to understand and Ephesians 2, which always confused me, is now crystal clear. Yeshua said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24) and, “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd." John 10:16. HIS words are simple to understand, once you know the truth. There is only one flock, although others are welcome to join and become a part of that flock. Thank you for another great lesson Eliyahu and Dawn. Your passion for this subject was clear and I am sure it reflects the passion our Lord has for His people Israel. How dare men try to replace YHWH's chosen people. How arrogant people are. I pray more people hear the truth, study for themselves and repent that they were ever taken in by such a terrible lie. For several years I was deceived by the lie that the Church and Israel are 2 entirely separate groups. It grieves me that I should have been taken in by this, but more importantly, it grieves me when I think of the pain such a lie must cause YHWH. So many millions of people swept along by the lies of replacement and separation theology…
Praise YHWH for keeping His covenants and for revealing the truth to us! Since I first listened to this lesson, I have been amazed at how much sense many things in the Bible now make to me. Paul’s teachings are much easier to understand and Ephesians 2, which always confused me, is now crystal clear.
Yeshua said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24) and, “I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.” John 10:16. HIS words are simple to understand, once you know the truth. There is only one flock, although others are welcome to join and become a part of that flock.
Thank you for another great lesson Eliyahu and Dawn. Your passion for this subject was clear and I am sure it reflects the passion our Lord has for His people Israel. How dare men try to replace YHWH’s chosen people. How arrogant people are. I pray more people hear the truth, study for themselves and repent that they were ever taken in by such a terrible lie.

]]> By: Ginny http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5080 Ginny Tue, 07 Jun 2011 11:53:45 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5080 Spot on! "it has its own festivals"... hmmm. Sounds a bit like "changing the times and seasons" to me! Daniel 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. I believe the church is the fourth beast, as a part of the Babylonian world system. Terrible thought... Spot on! “it has its own festivals”… hmmm. Sounds a bit like “changing the times and seasons” to me! Daniel 7:25 He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

I believe the church is the fourth beast, as a part of the Babylonian world system. Terrible thought…

]]> By: akushla http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5075 akushla Mon, 06 Jun 2011 10:41:52 +0000 http://tsiyon.org/church_israel/#comment-5075 These are just a few of my thoughts as I was listening to the program – “Is the Church Israel?” I find it interesting how ‘wild olive branches’ try to grow and flourish without being grafted into the tree. They may shoot for a little while but soon wither and die as they are not receiving any nourishment from the olive tree. There have been many revivals in the church but they haven’t lasted because they have not been based on the Torah and the root which is the house of Israel. The church has so separated itself from Israel that it has its own festivals and rest days. It does not celebrate the Feasts of Adonai and mostly forgets about the Sabbath, even when it is part of the 10 commandments. (The church must only have to keep 9 not 10 commandments!?) The church teaches that we need to be like Jesus but hey Jesus (Yeshua) was a Jew and he kept Torah and the Feasts including the weekly Sabbath. I find the church is full of contradictions. They say the Bible is true but I think what they actually mean is that their interpretations of the Bible is true and is to be followed. There is so much that we need to 'unlearn' as most of us have been so thoroughly 'churched'. It is so strange that so many are leaving the church to search for truth and find God. These are just a few of my thoughts as I was listening to the program – “Is the Church Israel?”
I find it interesting how ‘wild olive branches’ try to grow and flourish without being grafted into the tree. They may shoot for a little while but soon wither and die as they are not receiving any nourishment from the olive tree. There have been many revivals in the church but they haven’t lasted because they have not been based on the Torah and the root which is the house of Israel.
The church has so separated itself from Israel that it has its own festivals and rest days. It does not celebrate the Feasts of Adonai and mostly forgets about the Sabbath, even when it is part of the 10 commandments. (The church must only have to keep 9 not 10 commandments!?)
The church teaches that we need to be like Jesus but hey Jesus (Yeshua) was a Jew and he kept Torah and the Feasts including the weekly Sabbath.
I find the church is full of contradictions. They say the Bible is true but I think what they actually mean is that their interpretations of the Bible is true and is to be followed. There is so much that we need to ‘unlearn’ as most of us have been so thoroughly ‘churched’.
It is so strange that so many are leaving the church to search for truth and find God.

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