18 comments

1. Comment by Qanah on February 25, 2009 at 2:31 pm

   The importance of a close family will become evident when socio-economicorder collapses further. Learn where to get all things (YHWH) and through whom they come (Yeshua) and how to use it right (holy Spirit).

2. Comment by Christine on March 20, 2009 at 11:09 am

   I appreciated your comments about Yahshua being the Word made Flesh. When I finally got this is when I delved into the Hebrew Language and saw the life and meaning that was in it - like no other language; where the letters themselves actually have meaning….And how basic their meanings are to the basics of life -The family….The Father and The Son and their love and desire for mankind to have that kind of fellowship also….what an amazing Yah we Serve!!!!
   I loved the description of the Father and the Son as Family and the love between them. I agree that somehow that is diminished when we try to categorize That FAMILY into a Triangle(Trinity). It’s like the proverbial pounding a square peg into a round hole, instead in this case it is like trying to pound the Family Circle of Yahweh into a Triangle. Another thought I had when I was reading this and I am probably jumping the gun…since you said you would delve into this further is If the Father is Spirit and those who love him must worship him in Spirit and Truth, then how does one create “a Separate Spirit - as a Separate Member of this Family,” from a family perspective it just doesn’t make logical sense….
   Shalom

3. Comment by PraiseToYah on July 30, 2009 at 7:35 pm

   This message has confirmed so many thoughts that I have had about the relationship between Yeshua and YHWH and how I fit into the family of God. The one question that still plagues me is how women fit into this relationship with regard to God’s authority structure. It seems that women can have a direct relationship with Yeshua the gate which gives them relationship with the Father, but how does that work in an authority structure? When men are under Yeshua, they are under Him in every way, but not so for women. This has been a confusion for me for years – when to follow my head on earth and when to follow Yeshua, being that many times they don’t agree. Also, how does the lineage for women work? It seems that when a woman is born she inherits her father’s seed, but then once she is married and has children it is as if her lineage disapears and she and her children fall under her husband’s lineage. All this seems so confusing to me when it comes to my position in the Kingdom of God and my relationship with my husband.

4. Comment by Tsiyon on August 3, 2009 at 12:22 am

   Hello friends, I appreciate all the great comments on this program and on the others as well. I especially want to address the question by PraiseToYah: “It seems that women can have a direct relationship with Yeshua the gate which gives them relationship with the Father, but how does that work in an authority structure?” Firstly, you are correct that women can enjoy a direct relationship with Messiah. Some of the most beloved Talmidim of Messiah were and are women. In no way are women inferior in that relationship, or in their hope in the Kingdom. You ask specifically about authority though. In Yah’s order of authority the men are called to step up to loving leadership under Messiah’s headship while the sisters are called to serve under that loving headship. The Scripture puts it like this: “But I would have you know that the head of every man is Messiah, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Messiah is God” (1Co 11:3 ). Note that there is a chain of delegated authority here. The truth is, all men and women operate under authority sometimes and all must act in submission to authority sometimes. The same principles apply whenever delegated authority from YHWH is involved. Delegated authority is any authority in which Yah has appointed a person to speak and act for Him. In the KIngdom there are offices of apostle and pastor, for example, exercising delegated authority under Messiah. The Scripture encourages all to obey such authority as to the Lord: “Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch on behalf of your souls, as those who will give account, that they may do this with joy, and not with groaning, for that would be unprofitable for you” (Heb 13:17). As this verse points out, it is for our own good that we obey those set in authority by YHWH. The same is true of husbands and wives: “Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord” (Eph 5:22). This verse makes it plain that to be subject to your husband is being subject to the Lord as well. Why? Because your husband is in a position of delegated authority under Messiah. This does not mean a wife should be stiffled in her contribution to her relationship to her family or to her husband. It just means that someone has to make the final decision and YHWH has said that decision is the responsibility of the husband. Once that decision is made a godly wife who offers her best support and prayers for her husband, even if she does not fully agree, will be blessed BECAUSE SHE HAS OBEYED GOD. What though, if a husband requires her to do something against the commandments of God and leaves no way out from such disobedience? In that case we have the example of the apostles who said: “We must obey God rather than men” (Acts 5:29). This is the point at which a wife must choose God as the higher authority in that case. This principle applies to all delegated authority. Even here, attitude should be respectful rather than confrontational (Jude 1:9). This is your answer in a nutshell. There is much more about all of this in my book “Holy Order Restored.”

5. Comment by fredrad on August 16, 2009 at 4:07 am

   This is a perplexing issue.It is difficult for us to understand this .I believe it will take growth for me to truly “get”this hour.It is a comfort to know that the one that brings us the most comfort in the World will also be our “faithful” wittness with the Father,or Himself.Kind of like an inside edge with the boss.Yeshua is always there,therefore the Father is also.I take comfort in this duality of the “blessed help,guidance,” that Yeshua offers and the “Fear of Yaweh” to maintain our focus.You could not have one without the other therefore both are one.
   Blessing to all
   Fred

6. Comment by MIshis Lassie on August 27, 2009 at 3:33 am

   This teaching is the closest to scripture I have ever heard. Ever since seminary professors so woefully handled the doctrine of the Trinity, I have felt that 1) We finite beings will never truly understand the relationship of Father, Son and Spirit, and that 2) We must always respect one another in our VARIOUS sincere efforts to understand and express in words that Relationship.

   However, I do have a question for you, Eliyahu. I was taught that the word, “Ruach” (Spirit) in the Hebrew, is a feminine noun. I was elated when I discovered that, and felt it was so very beautiful. Though God (who is One/Relationship) is neither male nor female, still, masculinity and femininity flow from God (who is One/Relationship). I felt it was perfection of relationship within God that the Father is expressed in, and acts, in masculine terms, the Spirit is expressed in, and acts, in feminine terms (plus remember the many feminine metaphors used in Scripture for God, as well as “Lady Wisdom”) - and the Son is, in some degree - The Expression of the One Familial Relationship. Doesn’t that idea more completely express the Triune Family, and is it not more honest, accurate, and logical, given the gender of the word, “Ruach”? And as men look to God as Head, and women look to God as Head (in the absence of trustworthy husbands and visa versa), may we not form again, a lesser trinity - a similar triunity? In this way, might we avoid falling into the terrible trap of idolizing our spouses, or, conversely, resentment toward, and blaming our spouses, and will be brought into unity and/or Peace, as we are both freed to look to God as our mutual Leader and Source?

7. Comment by Tsiyon on August 27, 2009 at 5:56 pm

   Some argue that the Holy Spirit should be referred to as “she” because of the grammatical gender of the Hebrew word for spirit (ruach). While this idea holds great emotional appeal on closer inspection it doesn’t hold up. Here’s why:

   The gender of a word and the gender of a person are two different things. For example, the word “stone” in Hebrew (”even”) is grammatically feminine. However, nobody would suggest that stones are actually female, or even somehow similar to females. Here is another example: the Hebrew word for army (”tsavah”) is grammatically feminine. This, even though armies in Bible times were exclusively comprised of males (Numbers 1:2-3).

   Actually, the grammatical gender of “Spirit” varies according to the language it is communicated in. The word in Greek is grammatically neuter (”pnuema”). In Latin (”spiritus”) and in Latin-derived languages it is grammatically masculine. In Semitic languages such as Hebrew (”ruach”) it tends to be grammatically feminine. I say “tends to be” because “ruach” is not always grammatically feminine in Hebrew, but is sometimes grammatically masculine (Numbers 11:31, Isaiah 57:16 etc). Because the gender of the word “ruach” varies in Hebrew some grammars call “ruach” a “common gender,” meaning that it can take either a masculine or feminine verb. This is as close as you can get in Hebrew to neuter, since Hebrew has no grammatical neuter, as Greek does.

   In Greek the word “pneuma” is grammatically neuter. Scripture uses Greek pronouns with “pneuma” that are masculine, such as “parakletos” (comforter) (John 16:7-8). Also, Yochanan/John reports Y’shua/Jesus speaking of the Spirit (grammatically neuter in Greek) using the masculine form of the demonstrative pronoun “ekeinos” (”that male one”). This intentional breaking of the grammatical agreement indicates the intention of the Speaker to convey the Spirit’s masculine nature. In keeping with these and other liguistic facts all major English Bible translations have rightly retained the masculine pronoun for the Spirit. [See John 14:26; 15:26; 16:13-14 and William D Mounce, The Morphology of Biblical Greek, (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1994), pp. 241-242)]

   These facts being what they are, it would not be accurate to portray a “Father God” and a “Mother God” as parents to a “Son God.” This simply is not the picture Scripture gives us, but is more like the Babylonian trinity comprised of the triad of Cush, Semiramis (his wife), and Nimrod (their son). Other such pagan trinities have proliferated from this Babylonian one. Our Elohim is not like that pagan construct.

   Having said that, we also want to acknowledge that the Scriptures use nurturing imagery, typically associated with women and mothers, to depict the tender loving care of Elohim. This does not indicate that Elohim is plagued by gender-confusion. Rather, it simply indicates the broad scope of emotion and behavior of which our Elohim is capable. This breadth of emotional capacity alone is sufficient to account for the tender emotions that characterize the beauty, sensitivity and dignity at the core of the creation of true womanhood, by which every person ever born has been blessed.

8. Comment by Shix on November 29, 2009 at 6:52 pm

   When you break down scripture, you will surely see,
   the complete whole picture, the unity three!
   God the Father, God the Son, Holy Spirit- three in one.
   Yeshua’s Words are His word from times ancient past.
   Their Words are eternal, forever to last!

   Essense of God is becoming quite clear,
   fellowship with Yahweh is always so near!
   Just look to Yeshua, God,s only Son,
   Gateway to Yahweh, He IS the one!

   So when you are down,
   situations seem gloom,
   to your prayer closet be found,
   on your knees in your room!

   Repentance from sin is where to begin.
   Repentance to find God’s word in your mind.
   Repentance to return is what you will learn!
   Return to God’s word will be your last hope,
   it’s what you will need in order to cope!

9. Comment by Ester on December 8, 2009 at 10:16 am

   Shalom!
   Interesting fellowship going on here.
   In most languages, certain nouns/objects are in feminine gender, as Eliyahu
   has pointed out, but it is NOT feminine in any way we perceive them to be feminine, e.g., countries are often referred to as “she”, cars, etc.

   There is no “Holy Trinity”. Father and Son is ONE ELohim, and the Ruach is the Spirit of ABBA YHWH The ELohim and Yahshua’s as well; Yahshua is ELohim come in the flesh (John 1:1-5, 14))
   In 1 Samuel 16: 13, 14 “… and the Spirit of YHWH came upon David…”; “But the Spirit of YHWH departed from Saul..”
   1 Samuel 19: 20 “… the Spirit of ELohim was upon the messengers of Saul…”.. just quoting a few examples.
   ABBA YHWH is Omnipresent, HE can choose to appear as a “dove” in the event
   of Yahshua’s immersion, at the same time, ABBA YHWH spoke anouncing
   Yahshua is HIS Beloved Son, in Whom HE, YHWH is well pleased.

   Yahshua (John 14: 7; 16: 7) said, “If you had known me, you would have known the Father also”. “..if I do not go away, the Ruach will not come to you; but if I go
   I will send HIm to you.”

   The Ruach is NOT a “Person”, but IS the Spirit of YHWH/Yahshua.
   I hope that clarifies the trinity doctrine of churches?
   Blessings of truth to truth-seekers,
   Ester.

10. Comment by gilahinYah on July 12, 2010 at 10:59 am

    This is a sticky subject. Yahsua perfectly represented His Father. Through Yeshua we enter into the family of Yahweh. There are practices who honor the Father, but not the Son. In John 5:22-23, “For the Abba judges no man, but has entrusted all mishpat to the Son; That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Abba. He that honors not the Son honors not the Abba who sent Him…”
    My father was killed when I was a very young child, and the men that came after him did not behave as a father to me. It has been a challenge for me to learn to trust Abba Yahweh; not because of who He is, but because of the misconception of what a father should be.
    The only example for those of us who have not had a loving, caring relationship with their earthly father, is Yeshua who declared, “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.” Any who have had a real relationship with Yeshua, have witnessed the love and care of what a father should truly be. I known and am bearing witness to this truth.

11. Comment by donjuls on August 1, 2010 at 1:36 am

    Eliyahu,
    I so enjoyed this message about the Father and the Son, and the nature of their relationship. To think that Yahweh and Yeshua had fellowship for eternity past is truely remarkable. I have given up, years ago, trying to comprehend ‘eternity past’. It’s something that I accept becasue I know it’s real.
    When I think about their relationship and the love they have for each other I am sometimes drawn to the picture in my mind of Yeshua and His death on the cross. His torture and eventual death on the cross, as horrible and painful as it was in His physical body, pales in comparison to the pain He knew when Yahweh saw Him as sin and had to turn His back on Him. And for whatever length of time Yahweh separated Himself from His Son Yeshua, it must have felt like an eternity.
    I can’t imagine that kind of love. I don’t understand that kind of love. Why would He choose to love us to the point that He would willingly take on all of our filth, and choose to be separated from His Father, and choose to lay down His life for a sinful, unholy lot like us humans?
    Then I remember the reason, becasue He is God and we are His creation, and we live and breathe so that we might obey Him, and praise Him, and love Him, and worship Him. And for some reason, beyond my comprehension, He takes delight in that…

    And in that fact, I take GREAT DELIGHT.

    Shalom to All!

    Don

12. Comment by James L on December 7, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    This program is full of valuable lessons and provokes thoughts about my past relationship with my father and grandfather. Your comments on how the son wants to be like and with his father and how that is a special relationship really made me think. My father died when I was 10 years old and I just don’t think of him much or never really experienced a close relationship with him because my parents were divorced. Upon listening to this message I remembered how I just wanted to be with my dad and be just like him and even look like him. I tell you this teaching has given me a different perspective of my Father in heaven. I have perceived him as distant because my earthly father has been distant all my life. I have had experienced touches and the presense of Him but I have been longing for a daily communion with Him. This has changed my perspective entirely. This has been the most straightfoward and clear treatment of this subject I have ever heard or read. It has touched my heart. I have a richer knowledge of Yaweh and His Son Yeshua now thanks to you.

13. Comment by Ginny on October 9, 2011 at 4:52 am

    I have listened to this hour’s teaching three or four times and am still stumped. I understand the words of what you are saying but the concept is so difficult. Much, much more easy than the trinity idea though! How fabulous that there is a God family, and how beautiful it is to think that our families should be an extension of that. It’s so tragic that families, fathers and mothers fall so short of this in this fallen world. I’m so looking forward to when all order is restored and I can more firmly grasp these ideas. It amazes me to think that I have been calling YHWH ‘Father’ and Yeshua ’son’ but never really considered them as a family. It makes me realise how messed up all my theology is, and it is very humbling to understand that I really understand nothing! Thanks for this precious teaching, shalom.

14. Comment by Becca4Truth on October 17, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Its such a wonderful thought that we, Yahweh’s children have entered into the “LIFE” that Yeshua has, The Life of the Father in the Son, that we can have fellowship with too. Its such a huge concept for our minds to wrap around. This Life emanates from the Son and this is why we are drawn to Him. This is why the disciples were drawn to Him.

    Theres no greater Love than the Love that the Son has for His Father. It was because of this Love that He came to earth and made the sacrifice for us. We were made in Him and thru Him and He loved us and knew that nothing else would restore us to the Father.

    It will be so wonderful to be restored to that perfect unity within the God family one day. Oh how I wish earthly fathers today would realize the great loss upon our families because we are so out of sync with our Heavenly Father.

    I had never heard it taught that the Son was actually the one whom spoke with Abraham and Moses and many others in the bible. It makes perfect sense though that all communication went thru the “word”.

    The Trinity doctrine throws me off too. Its so much more precious to think of them as a Family unit than as 3 seperate entities.

    The decline of the earthly family is the decline of society. The family unit is suffering terribly today and we just go along like nothing is wrong . We have an attitude of “oh well, I guess it is what it is”.

    I wont look at Fatherhood and sonship the same again. Its all about Love.
    The Father gave His very best to us and the Son loved His Father so much that He gave up Heaven to do His Fathers will. Praise Yahweh!

15. Comment by DawnP on October 31, 2011 at 4:14 am

    This was a beautiful and Scriptural session. How wonderful that Yeshua came to Earth so that we too can have fellowship with the Father and Son, thank you for explaining this so well E. This thorough explanation is so often missed by teachers who only present the sin issue. The Doctrine of the Trinity had always boggled my mind, the explanation presented in this session really helps to clear some of this up, well as much as my puny mind is capable of understanding anyway (I know what you mean Ginny)!

    My heart aches when I realise just how the son and father relationship has been distorted from what it was truly meant to be, this is an ongoing distortion, that has become so deeply entrenched, most of us cannot imagine such a perfect relationship. I agree with Becca’s comments about the link with society; it is so obvious once you understand the truth. Once again, something so precious and so beautiful ruined.
    How I long for the restoration of all things.

    Shalom

16. Comment by 2Miriam on December 1, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Eternal fellowship between the Father and Son(Word) offered to us also.
    Any visits of God on the earth has been by The Word.
    What a contrast between the closeness of a father and son in Hebraic culture from our world now when fathers and sons are at each other’s throats. The Gate enables us to have fellowship with unlimited love with Father and Son to be a real family together.
    Man is created to be part of God’s Family and he is to multipy and make new families in unity with God’s Family also. What an awesome plan of true and never ending love to give us eternal life into the Father and Son.

17. Comment by waterfall on December 18, 2011 at 7:58 pm

    This teaching made me think of my own husband and son. We are living out of state right now, and our son sold my husband’s truck for him. He had the authority given to him by his earthly father to do this transaction for his dad. He even signed it off by signing his own name, because his dad had set it up so that his son had that authority to do that. It might be kind of a corny analogy, but it’s the same concept. Our Father has given His authority to His Son to carry out this amazing legal “transaction” that is binding.

18. Comment by Criggarious on January 20, 2012 at 12:59 am

    Hello all,

    Very good program sir. I liked how you broke this all down. I understood this already but it was very nice to hear. Also I bet this angers a lot of feminists out there too since this is about a father and son relationship and how important it is. Like you said fatherhood is nothing like how Yahweh intended it to be nowadays. They really do try to down play and disregard a fathers role in a family. Well that’s all for now. Have a nice day

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